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new today, a look inside the home of accused child killer casey anthony. out on bond, our staff combing through hours of new audio, video recordings in the case. gripling testimony of the bounty hunter that helped bail casey out of jail. plus, there's controversy out there as president obama plans to give a televised speech to our nation's kids. the message -- study hard, stay in school but some parents are outragedment they have questions about his motives. may pull their kids out. what do you think? what do you think of this speech? some say it's part of the political agenda.
want your thoughts on this one. love hearing from you. here's the phone number to call in. 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail or text us. it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome once again. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. state of florida ree leased more than three hours of audio, video recordings and they're telling. casey anthony allegedly talks about chloro form, the date drug ghb and possibly receiving money for her defense by appearing on the howard stern show while caylee is missing. of course, we know that caylee is dead. joining us to talk about this, florida state prosecutor pam bondi and bounty hunter, leonard padilla. they had access to casey. also joining us, latisha nance.
all right. natisha, let's get the legal stuff out of the way to get to the recordings that are fascinating. the judge ruling the fraud trial goes before the murder trial? is that what happened here? natisha? okay. >> hi. >> go ahead. >> just able to hear you now. what was the question? i'm sorry. >> the fraud trial before the murder trial. a lot of us thought, nope, it has to go the other way around. >> the judge recently ruled that that fraud case will go before the murder trial. we don't know exactly when it's going to be but this is pretty significant meaning that casey anthony could potentially go into the murder trial with felony convictions already on the table. >> okay. pam bondi, help us understand this. we had legal experts come on and say murder trial has to go before the fraud trial here. >> no. i've never believed that was going to happen. >> okay. >> i totally agree with the prosecutors.
here's why. when she testifies, if she testifies, the prosecutors will be allowed to ask her, have you convicted of a felony? she'll have to say, yes. how many times? she'll have to answer. then they can also say was that a crime of dishonesty? she will have to say, yes. so that's greatly going to damage her credibility if she has any when she testifies. >> okay. all right. got that out of the way. let's get to some of this -- the audio recordings we're hearing from and we're hearing from leonard padilla, one of your staff members, right? tracy mclaughlin. tell me about her access to casey. how much time did she went with her? >> i believe nine days from the time she was bonded out until she went back into custody, and to clear something up, tracy doesn't work for me. she has worked with me for many, many years. her ex-husband was an associate and known each other for 25 years. >> okay.
did she have the most access to casey of anybody working with you on this case? >> that's correct. >> okay. >> she had the most. next in line would have been rob. >> let's listen to some of this. this is tracy talking to investigators as casey saw herself on the tv news. listen to this reaction. listen to what tracy says about casey. >> what was she saying about herself? >> oh, i think i should sign some pictures and get some money for the defense or maybe we could take it on the radio and she'd want to know my bra size and if jose was hitting it. >> that's unbelievable. not one word about caylee and
this crude talk about howard stern and hitting it is whether jose baez is having sex with her. that's unbelievable. pam, what can -- obviously to hear the casey anthony self centered isn't new not mentioning caylee but can this be used in the court of law? >> yes. it is showing her state of mind, her demeanor while her daughter was missing, what she was concerned about and the pictures we thought were the most damaging evidence against her, but now, you have this new evidence. and really, it shows that she wasn't a grieving mother and especially if she does take the witness stand, this can all be used against her in impeachment. i think the howard stern issue is completely damaging. i don't think there's any way the comments about jose baez would ever come into evidence. i think a judge would keep that out. that's way too prejudicial for
the defense. >> speaks to the self centeredness. >> yes. >> paints the picture she's loving the limelight. he's going to talk about her bra size. sickening. >> autographing photographs. not mentioning her little baby daughter missing. conscienceness of guilt. >> in your time and people you work with, spending with casey, did she mention caylee, finding her? leonard, we have to find her? >> definitely not in my presence. never asked when are we going to go look and search? and in talking to rob and toby and and miguel and the other people there, nobody ever mentioned that she mentioned her daughter. to my knowledge. okay. >> we'll take a quick break and more stunning comments of tracy mclaughlin, again, she spent time with casey after caylee wao missing. we'll take you calls.ble it's very important for me to uh check my blood sugar before i go on stage.
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continuing conversation, more evidence we're hearing audio recordings of someone who spent time with casey anthony after little caylee went missing. we are taking your calls. let's go to the phones. jean is with us in north carolina. hey, jean. go ahead. >> caller: hey, mike. i have followed this case since day one and i think it gets more disturbing as more evidence comes out because she is son narcissistic. i could not fathom one of my children even my grown children one of them being missing, much less i have a special needs adopted child. i would be crazy.
it's always her, her, her. >> it always has an is. we talked about that. let's dig into some more of these recordings, what we're hearing from tracy mclaughlin, worked with leonard padilla and spent time with the family so it was inside access here. i want to go back to the producer of "the nancy grace show." tell us about the significance of watching "one tree hill." what did we get out of this? >> it was "the hills" on mtv. young people are on there. tracy mentioned that there were people on there and they were partying. she mentioned to casey, have you heard of ghb, the date rape drug. casey said, oh, oh, like roofies and tracy said, like either and casey said like chloroform. this is prior to a mention of this. long before that, casey anthony
mentions chloroform to tracy mclaughlin. >> okay. pam, we have got google searches for chloroform, google searches on the anthony's household computer for neck breaking and before little caylee goes missing. >> yes. mike, as you remember, there were traces of chloroform in the trunk of the car and corroborating statements of chloroform and internet searches on clo areform and neck breaking is damaging for the defense, as well. >> help us out. name the show again and there was a significant episode, wasn't there, where talking about "the hills" again in the episode that casey was searching doing google searches on a nanny took a child? >> that is "one tree hill." there was an episode with a nanny on there. similar circumstances to the casey anthony case. the 100th episode and casey
anthony had apparently or someone had searched for that episode on that home computer. >> sorry. everybody, i got my tv shows mixed up there but bottom line here, pam, when these kind of searches and shows, does that say premeditation to you? >> absolutely, mike. and that's where the prosecutors are going to be methodical. they're consistent. they're going to present this all to the jury in chronological order and lay out what she did when she did it, why this was no accident. and it was planned well in advance, yes. >> okay. pam, natisha, leonard, thanks again. coming up, high school football coach on trial for homicide. a player dies after an intense practice. emotional testimony today from max gilpin's grieving mom. we'll take you calls. oh, by the way, we have our cnn hero this week. a pilot who started an orphanage in indonesia.
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that was really a reflection of the economy. people holding back on discretionary spending. this year, it started out fairly weak. the bad weather, the wet spring, the wet season didn't help. >> reporter: but help was on the way. this is the first summer of the infinity hall and bistro. a public music venue in talk making norfolk an overnight destination. >> i think it is becoming a destination for people. i know the inns are filling up. i know the restaurant is busy. the restaurant next door is busy so i'm sure we're making an impact. >> reporter: an impact the johnsons are starting to to feel but not enough to sit back and relax. they're taking all possible steps to bring overnight visitors in the door. >> we call it a budget room but a lot of people find it, small, intimate and a lot less expensive. >> reporter: what's the price differential? >> the price here is about maybe $100 less than some of the more
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the field. just two weeks into his sophomore year, he collapsed. three days later he died. michelle crockett was the prosecution's first witness. and you could tell it was hard for her. voice cracked, she wiped away tears talking about her son. listen as she relives that tragic day. >> people were asking him to open his eyes. and his eyes were about half open. you know? things just seemed to keep getting worse and worse. and so later on that evening, when, you know, they said there was nothing more they could do, they'd tried everything. >> friday night? >> this was saturday night. uh-huh. so, you know, they told us he was going to die. >> difficult to hear that. coach david jaye son stinson pleaded not guilty to charges of reckless homicide and wanton
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. there's outrage over the president's upcoming speech to students, basic message to study hard, stay in school. but there are some parents out there that think that's not all. there's more up his sleeve. what do you think? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. we are getting insight into the bittersweet family reunion for jaycee dugard, kidnapped at 11. held captive for 18 years. one great thing to report, she's not forgotten her family. here's a clip of her aunt. >> the reason i'm willing to do
this is to know that a lot of great things are happening right now. and that they're happy. the girls are with their mom. i've heard her call my sister mom. where's mom? >> that's so good to hear. joining us to talk about this again, stacy kaiser and still with us, julia mario. we are going to get into it with julia about the criminal history of phillip garrido. that in a minute but first jaycee. stacy, how good is that? sounds great to me that she would, you know, she's calling for her mom and there's -- it doesn't sound like there's a detachment. there's already a connection. >> i think you're absolutely right. the good news is that she was 11 years old and had time to develop and spend time with her mom. they already built a connection and so that's just something they will have to rebond and connect again. >> okay. let's listen to another sound clip, the aunt tina dugard talking about what she's viewing in the relationship with jaycee and jaycee's two young daughters. let's listen to that.
>> all three of them are very, very tight. very much together. there's a lot of sitting next to that person. and holding each other's hand and you can tell that the youngest daughter, she just sitting next to her sister and throws her foot up on her lap. >> talk about that for a moment, stacy. the relationship between jaycee and two daughters. how does that change finding out they're part of a family? with tina and that jaycee has a mom and that jaycee's their mom and those factors? >> it is a strange scenario because as you can imagine children learn what they live and the kids didn't know the conditions they were in. and so now they have come up into a world with more people, there's televisions and all kinds of fabulous things that kids can enjoy, and so it is going to be an adjustment period for these kids. they won't know what to trust and lean on their mom. >> yeah. that picture all sitting on a couch together holding hands, that makes so much sense here.
let's shift gears a little bit. julia, go back to '72. hearing the 14 girl she drugged and repeatedly raped in a motel room. no accusation on the 1976 case. he was convicted of kidnapping and woman katie hall. now we're finding out that there was -- we look back in to some of the other files on this guy and an hour before that he kidnapped and raped katie hall, he tried to abduct another woman. >> that's right. >> i mean, when you see this, i want to read you a quote to get your take on it. this is from the u.s. attorney mcgregor scott saying looking at the reports of psychiatrist and others, it's incomprehensible that an objective body let him in society. julia, what happened here? >> well, that's a great question, mike, and let me just say that at the actual trial, he
admitted that he had irresistible compulsion to do things of a sexual nature. he sat outside of a grammar schools and high schools and masturbated watching little girls and no shame or remorse over what he did to katie. he is clearly a sociopath. they put him in jail. 11 years later he is paroled out. put into nevada state. and then he gets out seven months later. back then, mike, there wasn't the level of awareness about the recidivism rate for sexual offenders that there is now. it was the late '80s. it was a different time and if he's behaving in prison, found god, he's a born again christian, he hasn't done anything wrong. that's bigger fish to fry, guess what. they cut him loose and unfortunately four of the five people on that parole board who decided to cut him loose are
dead. >> yeah. the other i believe is in the nursing home. >> exactly. >> are we smarter now? are we safer now? in 2009. >> absolutely. we know a lot more than we did then and as everyone is saying, mike, if this guy was up for parole now, based on all of the same background he's got, they would have laughed in his face and sent him back to his jail cell. that would have been the result. but unfortunately, it was a different time back then and that's what happened. >> okay. guys, we have to leave it there. julia, stacy, thanks so much, guys. coming up, real house wives of atlanta, the reality show, an eye opener. but is it feeding the stereotypes of african-americans? we'll talk about that. newshengng asough what to do.
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house wives of atlanta has really thrown black women in the reality tv spotlight. the network described the show as an up close and personal look at five fabulous women from atlanta's social elite. but does this voyeuristic view do more harm than good of dispelling the stereotypes? joining me now elana andrews and pop culture blogger of egypt says so.com. ladies, so much for your time.
and helena, you have written about this and one thing you specifically reference is one of the more infamous scenes from the season. we have a clip i want to play and then talk about it. >> [ bleep ]. >> in my face. >> you are a [ bleep ] liar. >> wait a minute. >> girl, you don't. >> no you don't. get your [ bleep ] hands off of me. >> okay. helena, care to elaborate and then egypt, i'll get you in on that. what struck a cord with you about that? >> i think the problem that i had with it is we're supposed to -- these women are supposed to be representative of the quote unquote social elite in atlanta. these are grown women, right? they're in their 30s and 40s. married with children. and they have this fight that just devolved into the street brawl. there's more bleeps in the fight than actual words. and it seemed extremely immature
for women supposed to be representing this elite class of black women. >> okay. now to be fair, that is one clip of a season that is about a lot more than that and it's a reality show. they picked the most dramatic stuff and they probably tell you to act up a little bit. egypt, i know you're a fan of the show saying you watch it religiously. >> i absolutely do watch it religiously. >> what is your perspective of that? >> that's the thing of reality shows and why people love them so much. they show the good, bad and ugly. i don't necessarily think real house wives of atlanta is a negative portrayal of black women. i think it is a depiction of who these women are as individuals. oh, by the way, they happen to be black. but at is same time, not all of them are. kim is a white woman. one is half asian. >> do you think there is anything harmful in the images that you see? >> in that particular scene, and
because i do watch the show and i remember that scene particularly, it was disturbing. you know, i felt kim was being bullied. it was unfortunate. we caught these women at their worst. >> okay. >> and again, that's what reality shows are all about. >> okay. we did reach out to bravo to try get to a statement from the producers, from the house wives. we weren't able to get anything in time but we did -- we do so some statements on essence.com. that the women have responded to in the past from lisa and sharia in possible. this is what lisa said -- helena, did you see any positive images in the show at all? >> i think there are some
positive images on the show. but i think it's funny that sheree the woman screaming the most, trying to quote unquote shift kim's wig is the one talking about black women are fabulous and we're moms and this and that and that's great and a great part of the show and last season. i think that last season presented the women in a way where they were being housewives. i think this season it is all about this jerry springer ringmaster brawl they're so interested in opposed to the women actually, you know, working at their jobs, raising their children. it's a lot more that we saw last season supposedly the reason of snow is no longer on the show because she wasn't dramatic enough. >> funny you should say that because we did have a comment on our facebook page where someone said that they thought that that was the reason that deshawn wasn't back on the show. again, we did reach out the bravo to get their feedback on
the segment and we didn't get it. we don't know that that's their case. >> that's true. >> ladies, thank you so much for your feedback on this show. >> thank you for having me. >> egypt and helena. ladies, thank you so much. all right. thanks. coming up, people are upset over the president's upcoming speech to students. the bottom line message is, tell kids to study hard, stay in school. but there are some parents they think there's more to it than that, possibly a hidden agenda. what do you think? we'll take your calls. welcome to our mcdonald's. yours? really? it's been our dream since we were kids. uh, that long, huh? why not?
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kids on tuesday. the white house says it is about studying hard, staying in school. but there are some parents, livid to the point to pull their kids out of school for the day of the protest. here's john roberts from cnn. >> my rights as a parent are being circumvented. >> reporter: there's a lot of anger over the president's upcoming speech. the department of education says the goal is to challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning. but along with that came some suggestions for teachers. lesson plans asking students to, quote, write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. that's where the trouble started. and the head of florida's republican party didn't hold back. >> the parents across this country and the uproar that occurred, the department of education withdrew all of that language last night. >> reporter: greer didn't stop there. in a letter he charges the president was going to use the speech to sell his policies saying, quote, president obama
has turned to american's children to spread his liberal lies indoctrinating america's youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves. the response from the left? it's not about the lesson plans or the speech but politics. >> was there a little bit of a problem there with the additional materials that were provided to go along with the president's speech? >> no. it's not a problem. what you have is insane parents who want to bring their ideology into the table. why is it -- i mean, i didn't see people saying when president george w. bush went to read to students, oh, i want so' what book he is reading. i want to pull my kid out of the class because i'm a democrat. he's a republican. this is absolute nonsense. >> reporter: the department of education has changed those lesson plans now. instead suggesting students write letters to themselves about they can achieve their short term and long-term education goals. some school districts in texas, illinois, minnesota, missouri, virginia and wisconsin have
decided not to show the speech and other schools will let parents keep the kids out of the classroom in the speech if they want. and many parents are considering keeping their kids home from school altogether on tuesday. >> some may have voted for mccain and bush in the past. i don't want them speaking to my student or your student or anyone else's student, child. pom tigers is up to the family. >> i don't know. right now, it'd say, no. i'll keep him home. >> all right. so what do you think about president obama's upcoming speech? and the uproar. i'll be taking your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us. text us. first, though, i want to bring in bill hogset on the line, his son's a kindergartener in texas. at first you weren't too happy about this, right? >> caller: no. i learned about this tuesday and what upset me mostly is the
curriculum sent to the teachers. >> you were more concerned about the curriculum and questions for students afterward, correct? >> caller: to be honest, i'm a little -- normally okay with the speech if there wasn't the lead-up to the things going on in the country with kind of the agenda pushed through. if this would have been a clean slate with the president, i probably wouldn't have had a problem with the speech or the address. >> are you okay -- i mean, our president, republican or democrat, i mean isn't it okay to speak to our kids about studying hard? presidents are great examples of a great education doing for you. >> caller: definitely. that truly is the agenda and no lesson plan i probably would have been okay with it 100%. yeah. but the lesson plan is what threw me, the curriculum guide. >> we'll hit the phone calls. were there specifics in this curriculum, lesson plan or what specifically concerned you? >>. >> caller: generally speaking, the whole thing about the president, who was the president, why is the
president -- i mean, basically all about the president. there was nothing in the curriculum about how can you the student do something. it was all about why's it important to follow the president, how can you help the president? so help the president? generally more about the president than the students achieving their goals and specifically questions like, i mean, exactly how can you help the president. >> i know some of that has been changed and the gist of it now is write a letter to yourself, not how you can help the president, but how you can achieve the long and short-term goals, is that the way you understand it? >> it is. let's get a call in real quick, carol in illinois. your thoughts here? >> caller: i'm just embarrassesed by america for even consider not showing the president talking to the people. it just doesn't even seem real. >> you know, i, i agree with you in the sense that if the president is going to speak to our kids about the importance of education, regardless republican or democrat, i don't have a
problem with it. curr curriculum that is not down the middle, we have to address that. patricia with us in virginia. real quick, go ahead. >> yes, i'm here and i'm really for the president speaking with children because i think that he's going to inspire them to stay in school. >> okay. >> get their education. >> what do you think about this? >> call in.